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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.04.19 10:27:00 -
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A wild speculation appears! |
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Posted - 2013.04.19 11:26:00 -
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the speculation for ice is there because any changes to ice will increase it's value. due to the fact that any change will make obtaining ice harder since in it's current form the only easier way of obtaining ice is if ccp contracted it directly to you from thin air. |
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Posted - 2013.04.19 16:35:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:Hi-sec ice removal wouldn't work.
Frozen miner-tears would more than make up the difference.
any miner that's actually interested in making profit from it, doesn't mine ice. |
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Posted - 2013.04.19 17:36:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:Hi-sec ice removal wouldn't work.
Frozen miner-tears would more than make up the difference. any miner that's actually interested in making profit from it, doesn't mine ice. But the ice they mine is free, so they get to sell fuel blocks for a 600% profit margin! Edit: See?
but the profit margin is even bigger on real minerals! |
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Posted - 2013.04.19 17:39:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:Hi-sec ice removal wouldn't work.
Frozen miner-tears would more than make up the difference. any miner that's actually interested in making profit from it, doesn't mine ice. But the ice they mine is free, so they get to sell fuel blocks for a 600% profit margin! Edit: See? but the profit margin is even bigger on real minerals! Thusly, I mine both.
so do i, but don't tell any one! i have to pretend i'm a real miner! |
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Posted - 2013.04.22 08:06:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Marsan wrote: It's possible the devs might think that if they remove ice from highsec, and buff the LS/NS ice yields enough things will balance out. Of course the devs don't have a good track record of this sort of balance....
Removing ice from HI SEC would make the Drone poo nerf's effect on the economy look like a minor recession. I just can't see losec ice mining with the current 3 minute harvestor cycles & Null icemining would make the current TECH bottle neck seem trivial.
indeed, especially when you look at the volume mined in null/low in comparison to high. the difference is huge. |
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Posted - 2013.04.23 12:41:00 -
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Carniflex wrote:As far as I see its just the usual speculative bubble. Someone worked himself up over some comment, managed to get enough other people interested and we have ice bubble. Which will, probably, last until in the FanFest some dev states that they have no intention removing ice from hi sec at which point those late to the party will be left holding the bag.
Removing ice from hi sec is about as likely as removing lev 4 missions from hi sec. In other words its more likely that they will make hi sec totally safe by just removing your ability to target other players in hi sec than removal of all hi sec ice belts.
considering they've vanished from the chaos server, according to some russians... i'd say it's more likely than you seem to think. |
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Posted - 2013.04.23 14:36:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Felicity Love wrote:Ice fields have been removed from Hi Sec before... you can either believe that history might repeat itself or you can look up CCP Soundwaves recent comments on the issue.
Or not.
Never, ever have I heard about that happening. They were removed from 1.0 - .8 systems and that's it. Last I checked, 1.0 to 0.8 is still part of High Sec...
to be fair, that original quote does imply all of high sec... |
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Posted - 2013.04.23 20:35:00 -
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Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha wrote:Quote:That out of the way I highly doubt that CCP would go and remove ice from hi sec. They would lose all these guys mining with 10+ accounts - or if not lose then they would downscale their operations to the level thats manageable on ore. Over all of eve population probably few thousand accounts I would speculate. This.
well they're gone on duality, apparently.
so i guess that makes you wrong, yet again. |
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Posted - 2013.04.24 05:19:00 -
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Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha wrote:It wasen't my quote, I agreed that it was doubtful. As usual, your an idiot.
read what you just typed, and posted.
then consider which of us is the idiot. tip: it's you. |
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Posted - 2013.04.24 10:39:00 -
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Carniflex wrote:Dave Stark wrote: considering they've vanished from the chaos server, according to some russians... i'd say it's more likely than you seem to think.
It would not surprise me if these "some russians" wold walk away with good amount of isk before this thing collapses. I would assume that by now CCP has learned their lesson about overnight radical changes to the game without any prior communication or listening to feedback right after fanfest without uttering a word about planned changes during the fanfest. Like happened couple of years back with the great null sec anomaly nerf. We both know how well that turned out. As far as I have seen EVE is atm sort of getting back where it was before that hicup. It was not their sole problem back then but as far as I could see, at that time, it was the last straw back then, the turning point. Underlying point was communication ofc - and considering the long list of stickies in features & ideas I would say CCP has learned their lesson pretty decently. If they will remove Ice or Lev 4 missions or static ore belts from hi sec I'm quite certain we would have threadnaught going on in features & ideas by now. Considering far smaller changes have deserved their stickies in there. Atm all we have is "some russians" saying that in the non-public test server there is no hi sec ice belts. Right. Not that I'm complaining about the ice prices. I exited yesterday and made approx 1 bil out of this. Not much in the grand scale of things, but I'm a small fish in the the EVE market. It is possible that the upward trend can keep up for a little bit more but when the rush for exit happens it is better to be already out in my opinion. apparently the same changes went up on duality, although i haven't confirmed this personally.
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Posted - 2013.04.26 16:29:00 -
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Nex apparatu5 wrote:So how many people are going to disappear from this thread when the ice mining change gets announced in a couple hours?
considering this is the first post in this thread for days, i'd say they've already left. |
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Posted - 2013.04.26 18:47:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:My rough notes from the keynote:
Ice belts move into anomalies, will spawn in systems that previously had ice belts. Can be mined out, when they are theyGÇÖll respawn 4 hours later.
Wonder if I can get my fuel sold before everyone gets the news, bought the ice before the spike started :-)
unless ice depletes SIGNIFICANTLY faster, that 4hr respawn will mean nothing. warping to a different location is also completely irrelevant. i'm not sure that'll stop bots. |
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Posted - 2013.04.26 18:59:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Elena Thiesant wrote:My rough notes from the keynote:
Ice belts move into anomalies, will spawn in systems that previously had ice belts. Can be mined out, when they are theyGÇÖll respawn 4 hours later.
Wonder if I can get my fuel sold before everyone gets the news, bought the ice before the spike started :-) unless ice depletes SIGNIFICANTLY faster, that 4hr respawn will mean nothing. warping to a different location is also completely irrelevant. i'm not sure that'll stop bots. It seems safe to assume that it's implied that ice will deplete significantly faster, because otherwise - like you said - it would be meaningless.
i don't trust implications, i trust facts. |
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:00:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Elena Thiesant wrote:My rough notes from the keynote:
Ice belts move into anomalies, will spawn in systems that previously had ice belts. Can be mined out, when they are theyGÇÖll respawn 4 hours later.
Wonder if I can get my fuel sold before everyone gets the news, bought the ice before the spike started :-) unless ice depletes SIGNIFICANTLY faster, that 4hr respawn will mean nothing. warping to a different location is also completely irrelevant. i'm not sure that'll stop bots. The ones I was finding that were perma-mining for 23/7 are now gonna be SOOL.
how so? |
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:17:00 -
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haven't read the ice changes yet.
however based on the new mineral compositions (yay oreicide!)
the large grav site is STILL the most lucrative at current prices. also, at current prices the large grav site is 24.4% more lucrative than scordite. (and that's before rorq bonuses) ccp have saved null sec mining. |
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:28:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:Dave Stark wrote:haven't read the ice changes yet.
however based on the new mineral compositions (yay oreicide!)
the large grav site is STILL the most lucrative at current prices. also, at current prices the large grav site is 24.4% more lucrative than scordite. (and that's before rorq bonuses) ccp have saved null sec mining. Grav sites are being removed. Hidden ore belts will become anomalies. It wasn't really indicated if the compositions would be identical, or if a whole new belts are being created.
are they? still reading the blogs. damnit.
edit: no they aren't!
Dev Blog wrote:We will also be making a significant change to the way hidden asteroid belts will be found by players. We are phasing out the Gravimetric signature category, and instead pilots will be able to find all Ore Sites using their shipGÇÖs built-in anomaly scanning equipment. just making them easier to find. and better. |
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Posted - 2013.04.26 20:10:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:Dave Stark wrote:haven't read the ice changes yet.
however based on the new mineral compositions (yay oreicide!)
the large grav site is STILL the most lucrative at current prices. also, at current prices the large grav site is 24.4% more lucrative than scordite. (and that's before rorq bonuses) ccp have saved null sec mining. Grav sites are being removed. Hidden ore belts will become anomalies. It wasn't really indicated if the compositions would be identical, or if a whole new belts are being created. are they? still reading the blogs. damnit. edit: no they aren't! Dev Blog wrote:We will also be making a significant change to the way hidden asteroid belts will be found by players. We are phasing out the Gravimetric signature category, and instead pilots will be able to find all Ore Sites using their shipGÇÖs built-in anomaly scanning equipment. just making them easier to find. and better. Er... that's what I said! They're turning them into anoms. With all of the other rebalancing, though, I wouldn't be the least bit shocked if they tweak the comps. I'm sure they'll be better, regardless, than normal belts (else there isn't much point). Bear in mind, though, that "easier to find" necessarily means more competition. Anyone who can find the scanner button will now be joining in. It is a REALLY unattractive change for wormhole miners, though. Those guys are so hilariously ******. Before, you had to either pre-scan their sites, or get lucky and scan down them/their site while they weren't paying attention. Now, you can wander right in on them without ever dropping cloak.
sorry reading so many things and updating so many excel cells at once. need to slow down!
"easier to find" means easier to gank, and nothing more in null sec. any one in null sec who wanted to mine, was already mining. i was probing down grav sites with the bare minimum skills.
yeah wormhole players are getting slightly boned i guess, don't know what a wormhole grav site contains. |
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Posted - 2013.04.26 20:11:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Crap. My Ice Mining system in Ammatar is not on the list. It's going away. Tears, yes.
the real question is; where are there systems with multiple belts?
i've already spotted 2 caldari systems 2 jumps from each other with a combined 5 ice belts. |
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Posted - 2013.04.26 20:55:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:I know a couple in Gallente Space. Ala's one of them, also one in Everyshore iirc.
take you about 5 seconds to find them thanks to goons giving every one garpa! |
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Posted - 2013.04.27 06:19:00 -
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pyronatic wrote:They are moving Ice belts to scannable anomalies, No more belts in space. welcome to the party, you're late. however, the good news is that we haven't quite run out of beer yet! |
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Posted - 2013.04.27 17:17:00 -
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OldWolf69 wrote:Just wonder how long will take the bots to learn to scan. Still this won't push people to mine ice in lowsec or null. But let's say we idealists and do believe it will.
bots don't need to scan. you just warp to the anom that you automatically scan for on session change. |
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Posted - 2013.04.28 07:36:00 -
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Pwnzer wrote:Who gives a ***t about ice mining bots. All I care about is what the price is going to do. That should be the focus of this thread and half of you are arguing about bot tendencies and capabilities. I think the price for fuel is going to go up quite a bit shortly after the ice belts are moved. I sure hope so, I have a lot of money riding on it.
considering in odyssey you mine ore 2x as fast, and based on that ice will be the same isk/hour as scordite (and let's face it scordite is going nowhere but down) i'm unconvinced higher ice prices will be a permanent thing. sure it'll spike from speculation but after that, nah it'll come down again. |
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Posted - 2013.04.28 09:11:00 -
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Bloody Wench wrote:You quoted me too early.
Stop that.
And a long pause between spawns will definately mess with bots.
there exists systems with 3 ice belts (soon to be anoms)
this means that the downtime between each ice belt is 4/3 hours, or 1 hour and 15 mins. provided these sites will be mined out in 1 hour 15 mins or longer, it won't really impact bots much. (ccp's assumption of 5 cycles of an anom per day, gives you 40 mins to clear an ice site, so 1hr 15 isn't that unrealistic depending on how many people ccp expect in an ice anom) |
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Posted - 2013.04.28 09:30:00 -
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Bloody Wench wrote:Dave,
again it will depend on how many miners that an individual site can support. Those systems will multiple belts (anoms) *may* be heavily contested.
yeah because i didn't just say that? |
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